District 230 School Board: A Pair of Incumbents Face 6 Challengers for 4 Seats
A guide to the April 2013 District 230 school board race, pitting eight candidates for four seats.
Two incumbents on the Consolidated High School District 230 school board and six newcomers will duke it out in the upcoming April election. Carol Baker and currently serve. Ben Twietmeyer, Kathleen Murphy-Peterson, Melissa Gracias, Tony Serratore, Susan Dalton and Anthony Catalano are challenging for four open seats on the board.
CANDIDATE BIOS
Early voting begins March 25. Election Day is April 9. When we get closer to the days when you can cast a ballot, we'll post links to biographical and issue-based information about the trustee candidates.
- Carol Baker (incumbent)
- Ben Twietmeyer
- Kathleen Murphy-Peterson
- Melissa Gracias
- Tony Serratore
- Susan Dalton
- Anthony Catalano
THE 'MUST-READ' STORIES
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- D230 Students Expected to Start School 30 Mins Earlier in August
- D230 to Start Search for Next Sandburg Athletic Director
- D230 Super: Quinn's Proposed 3% Education Cut Has 'Long-Lasting Implications'
- Texting Might Soon Be Allowed in Stagg High School
- School Rivalry Behind Stagg Brawl and Student Arrests
- Hidden Costs Could Plague District 230
- D230 Keeps Palos Option Zone, Directs D146 to Andrew
- People For and Against New D230 Attendance Zones Have Their Say (Video)
- D230 Option Zone Residents Petitioning Against New Attendance Plan
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- 230 United: Blogger who has written about candidates for the District 230 board.
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P.Y.T.
7:51 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Hmmmm... why did Gracias not choose to list her age? Such a simple thing to list. It bothers me due to transparency, and she withheld something so small. It now appears that she may have lost my vote to Catalano, whom I JUST might give a chance to. Might be refreshing to have a young-ins perspective.
Thunderstorm
6:04 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Who cares how old she is! This is not something that should be determined on age.
Anthony Catalano Jr
8:12 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Thank you for the comment and I apologize for any confusion. There was a communication error between the Patch and me. My age and family info are now provided on the bio.
P.Y.T.
4:04 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Well, it makes a difference to some people as to Catalano's age. Plus, what's the big deal. It's a question... answer it.
P.Y.T.
7:52 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Patch, if you did not ASK her for her age, let me know, so that I know that I am incorrect, and that she did answer everything.
Orland Guy 2013
10:46 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
I think we might need to check, but Laura Murphy is no Longer seeking re-election. I heard that she filed paperwork at the deadline to withdraw.
Bob
3:33 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Just as well. She got into this for career networking and she provided little input or ideas that resulted in the district spending smarter or more effectively. She was an "astronaut" board member....meaing she did little more than "take up space"LOL
P.Y.T.
5:29 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Catalano did not list his family, either.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... I wonder if he is from that Catalano Family with lots of kids. Might be, but he should have listed his parents and siblings, if so. Why can't people just answer the questions asked of them?
Thunderstorm
6:05 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Heard she dropped out due to the fact her 8th grade son was going to a private high school and not the public high school where she serves on the board.
Orland Guy 2013
10:51 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
How old is Catalano? Why didn't he post his age? I would also ask with PYT did you ask for their age? If so, I can't vote for Catalano if he can't follow simple directions such as listing his age. Just saying, we have 4 people to vote for here, just want to vote for the right 4. Thanks Patch
Thunderstorm
6:05 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Catalano is a 2007 graduate of CSHS.
Anthony Catalano Jr
8:15 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I assure you all directions were followed and there was a small communication error with my bio. The missing information is now provided for public review.
Karen
11:36 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Why do you care what their age is? Didn't your mother ever teach you it's not polite to ask a woman's age? Manners manners!
P.Y.T.
11:46 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Ummm, Karen, they ask everyone's age male and female, and it is not matter of that. It is a matter of it's an election. Manners are out the window...lol
Hey Orland Guy, you are 100% correct. Mea culpa. Thanks for the that. I caught the year he graduated from Loyola, so I did the math on it. So he is probably around 24, maybe 25? At least he revealed that much, but yes, easy questions, people, simple to answer, please do so.
Attn candidates: Don't think you are above it all that you do not need to answer questions or provide Miss America answers. I will vote on concrete answers and how much a candidate is willing to put themselves out there. And yes, Karen, even something as easy as age, will cost a vote in my opinion. Whatya got to hide?
Karen
12:20 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I'm not saying anything has anything to hide. I was however, making a joke.
It's also a matter of was age on the form? If it's not, then it's not their fault for not providing it.
P.Y.T.
1:09 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Ooooopppppssss.... (insert blush for not getting joke) Sorry, Karen.
Bob
12:42 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
You may want to look at the individual candidate links. I posted some questions for which interested 230 voters may be interested in the candidate answers(or lack thereof).
P.Y.T.
1:11 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I am thinking that Dalton, Serrotore, Peterson and possibly catalano will get my votes. I am not too sure that I want 3 people running together on the same board, actually. When you run on a ticket, will you form the friendship and 'protection' that we see going on now on the boards. Yes, I am pretty sure these are my 4.
Dalton
Serrotore
Catalano
Murphy-Peterson
Bob
3:30 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Dalton seems OK, and I've met Gracias and I'd put her ahead of Murphy-Petersen. I wouldn't vote for Serratore if the choice was between him and Jesse Jackson Jr! The guy is a typical Madigan Dem who never met a tax or fee increase he didn't like, and he'll support the eduocracy ahead of the students and taxpayers every time!
Catalano just seems to be an ambitious kid who wants to get into politics and considers this a career move as did Lee Roupas and Dennis Cook. If you have political ambition, you can't do what's right and tick off the unions and the patronage army that runs 230 and the rest of our local schools.
Baker and Twietmeyer both draw paychecks from District 218, which is a fiscal and academic quality DISASTER! If they can't bring those students up to even mediocrity (218 has average ACTs of about 18 while the poor state average in Illinois is only 20.6!), why should we believe they'll do better on the 230 school board where they're not drawing six figure salaries like they are from 218?
We've got some pretty poor choices this time around. How sad for the kids...and the taxpayers!
Thunderstorm
6:08 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Catalano doesn't get vote. Mommy & daddy are paying for his election. Heard his dad was a political judge.
Anthony Catalano Jr
8:21 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
In response to Thunderstorm's comment (6:08PM 3/12/13), my campaign is very grassroots and my parents, who are very supportive, have not funded my campaign a single cent nor has any union, lobbyist group, or special interest.
Furthermore, my dad is recently retired from the Chicago Sun-Times Newspaper and has never been involved in politics or worked as a political judge.
Thunderstorm
11:07 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I stand corrected
P.Y.T.
4:06 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Catalano... you have my vote...
iceman63
12:37 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
I am voting for SUSAN DALTON, after that long dissertation by her friend below, she obviously has good resources to surround herself with.
Also KATE MURPHY-PETERSON and MELISSA GRACIAS. I do not know or have too much info on the others. I have to research, or I might just vote for these three.
Bob
3:39 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I understand that the candidates and the "powers that be" in the school organizations refused to support a candidates forum or debate as they have in 135 and just about every accountable district.
We're just about the only HS district around to show such disrespect for the voters. I onoce tried to get on going, but the League of Womens voters wouldn't moderate one unless a school organization sponsored it. The Board and administration disbanded the Stagg PTRO without even a vote of the members, and Sanburg's politically connected PTRO refuse to get involved with informing the community about the candidates.
Does anyone know if there will even be a candidate "meet and greet"?
P.Y.T.
10:13 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I think march 13th at Jerling at 6:30 for D135, any for D230 I am unsure
iceman63
12:15 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
I am not sure it is disrespect to the voters, as much as it is a waste of time because of voting apathy. I will bet tat you and I and the same 50 people would show up. I think they feel that 52 is what % of the total voters in the high school district.
Orland Guy 2013
7:09 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Bob, Bob, Bob, How come you didn't run this time? taking a break from losing? I don't blame you. really, it just must get old burning up last place on the ballot time in and time out. Heck, I bet if you played the at home edition of survior with your family that you would be the first one voted out.
However, wasn't it you that ran to Dem Mike Hastings for help getting on committees at 230??? Geez, isn't he apart of that Dem Machine?? Are you the same Bob that spelled his name wrong on his campaign signs when you ran your stellar campaign for State Rep? Oh, I know you spent no money and you knew you couldn't win but good god man, you spelled your name wrong your sign. I bet it was just a nasty trick by those evil Dem union printers.
Keep your head up bob, dust off your lengthly resume of every job you got fired from and express to us how smart you are so we just might consider voting for you in the future.
On another not Baker is Twietmeyer's boss, so I think there is a bigger issue here than just where then work. I think these two should never be on a board together since the other is one's boss.
My votes go for
Catalano
Murphy-Peterson
Serrotore
Gracias
P.Y.T.
8:26 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Hey Orland Guy, I would say reconsider one of the United and replace one with Sue Dalton. I am serious, I do know her (albeit not well) and she would be great on the board.
Thunderstorm
6:10 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I'm thinking
Murphy-Peterson - Stagg needs representation
Gracias - same reason as Murphy-Peterson
Baker - teacher so knows what needs to be done
Twietmeyer - same reason as Baker
P.Y.T.
8:00 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Dalton
Serratore
Catalano
Murphy
P.Y.T.
8:28 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I would urge people to reconsider voting for any people on the same ticket where avoidable. They are running together for security. And as for the Twietmeyer, yes I understand Baker is his boss. So, I won't vote for either. Potential problem solved. LOL
Bob
9:58 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Actually, orland guy, I never got a chance to be a community representative on any 230 committee, and Hastings had nothing to do with my being excluded,or included, on any committee.
President O'Sullivan let me participate as an ad hoc member as long as I didn't run for the board.
I WAS able to ask questions and make recommendations on the board, and Mike Hastings was keeping track of how much money I was saving the taxpayers. By his count I saved the students and taxpayers about $70,000 by identifying smarter ways to do things in the capital program. I could've saved a lot more if I'd been allowed to participate while they were proposing those ridiculous paving projects at Sandburg and Stagg.
I was also a strong advocate for having surplusses go to reduce family fees and I was dead set against raising taxes through bond sales when the district could fund projects without raising taxes. Of course this really ticked off the union reps on the Committee, Dr Gay and the admins, and a couple tax and spend board members.
Eventually the unions and Mr Serratorre told the Chairman they wouldn't participate if anyone advocating reducing fees and taxes was allowed to be on the committee, so I was not "invited" back.
BTW, Orland guy, how about naming ANY job I got fired from, you useless loser!
Orland Guy 2013
11:59 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
uh oh, someone is getting angry!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr,
President O'Sullivan let me participate, sounds like they almost let you play in the playground with them. Funny, so you thought about it, and said to yourself 'hmm i don't have to come in last place this time" then took the offer. You are no better than any politico want a be, you took the offer trying to be apart of something and in the end you still couldn't find away on a committee. So, you instead are thank ful for the creation of the Patch because it gives you a forum to show just how crazy you are.
You have so many excuses as to why you are never included, have you just ever thought that you just don't get along with anyone and that might keep you on these committee's? Just thinking.
Nice job on those yard signs!!!!!
Bob
7:43 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
OK Orland guy, it's been fun playing with you. I guess if you think givng "inconvenient truths" about our schools is "crazy", then you'd fit right in with folks in office scamming the taxpayers. By the way, how brown exactly is your nose from kissing up to the political bosses in Orland?
The simple fact is that it doesn't really matter about being on a committee, other than occasionally you can embarass the politicians to prevent them doing something REALLY stupid or provide a better, less expensive way to get things done fro the kids. As you well know, that isn't what our local HS and K-8 schools have been about for quite a while.
I think you misunderstood (no surprise there) about my comment about appearing on the committee. The concern wasn't that I would somehow be tough competition at the amount I would spend on the campaign. The Board just didn't want me to use a seat on the committee as a platform for running for office like Serratorre is.
One funny thing about those misspelled signs I got from the printer. About half my campaign budget was spent on those signs, so I thought about what would draw more attention, a new "correct" sign or one with a flaw that people would notice. We figured it would be more noticed the way it was, and it seems that was correct.
Either way, I picked up 5,000 more votes in a "Democratic" year than the previous candidate did in 2010 which was a "Republican" year.
Pretty good progress for only spending about 2 grand.
Julius Pepperwood
1:50 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
I am pretty new to following the Patch, but I quickly formed an opinion on Bob. He is very sensible and always supports his opinions with facts. I'm a sceptic by nature and always try to verify things. Thanks Bob for bringing some intelligence to the conversations. It is greatly appreciated!
Orland Guy 2013
12:02 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Thanks PYT, I will look into it. I'm still looking and I have also heard good things about Sue. I might have to switch out Catalano since I feel really good about the other three.
Bob
7:56 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Some facts about what will determine the 230 race:
1) About 95% of the registered voters in 230 know pretty much nothing about the objective academic performance of the schools or wasteful spending practices ini the district. Most will vote based upon candidate ethnicity and name recognition.
2) From Orland to the 19th Ward, there's an "Irish advantage" of about 25% of the vote when an Irish surmaned candidate runs against a non-Irish candidate. Irish voters will often vote for a German surmaned candidate if there aren't enough Irish candidates in the race. Polish is the next highest ethnic advantage.
3) There are two political power bases that have surrogates vyinig for control of the patronage heavy district; the McLaughlin-Bennett machine and the Gorman-Hastings group. These two groups can turn out the 10-15% of voters that will win the low turnout races. The question is how well each of the groups gets out their vote.
4) The politics is set up so that only those willing to spend at least $10K have a realistic shot to win in most cases. One of the reasons there is no televised candidate forum is that the power brokers don't want to give cheap exposure to good candidates who can't match their funding. Smart politics, bad citizenship.
5) It seems the only referendum out there is in North Palos 117 where the Board wants to tear down a pretty new Conrady and build a brand new school. The media is ignoring this bad idea, to their shame.
Chronicles of Bob
9:13 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Thank all that is holy that you are not in that 95% group Bob. You can teach all how to vote.
Orland Guy seems to have it spot on. he's confirmed everything I've assumed.
Bob
9:41 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
COB, we can always count on you to add hate to a conversation without information or intellect. You certainly are consistent if not informative or intelligent!
Chronicles of Bob
10:03 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Yes Bob.. Just as your questions that you would ask that you posted the other day. Full of hate and insults. Every fake question followed by opinionated insults.
Bob
11:19 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
COB, the difference between what I post and what you post is the difference between informed questioning of public officials and holding them accountable for what they say and do, and your ill-informed hateful sniping not based on legitimate policy and position concerns, but on your personal prejudices against anyone who wants to hold government accountable and stands up for the interests of the people instead of the dysfunctional politcal machines.
BIG difference there, Buddy!
Bob
11:22 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
BTW COB, do you have anything to say regarding improving the schools' academic performance or operating them more efficiently for the benefit of the students or taxpayers? Do you have germaine questions that voters should see answered by the candidates, or is you mind as constipated as you politcal views?LOL
Bob
8:09 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Handicapping the race:
1)If Laura Murphy were running she'd be shoo in just based upon having the most Irish sounding name. She was the top vote getter 4 years ago based on this and the fact she spent $12,000 on the campaign. I believe she dropped out, however.
2) Melissa Garcias is a very bright and charismatic person, but Hipanic ethnicity is a big negative in Orland and Palos, Sad to say but she'll lose a lot of votes because of that.
3) Murphy-Peterson is probably a favorite for re-election based on the "Murphy" alone. She contributed little when she was previously on the Board, but voters won't care.
4) Although Baker's made some enemies, she has the kind of name voters will punch in this district. I suspect she'll have money for mailings, and that's a big deal. She was independent, so it'll be interesting to see if she has the support of any politcal group this time.
5) Don't count out Catalano, This is a career move for him., and he may be willing to spend a lot as an "investment" as did Mike Hastings and Dennis Cook previously.
6) The wild card here is how much money Gracias and Serratorre will pony up for this campaign. If they're willing to put up $20K and give targeted mailings, they just may be able to pull this off. Both can afford it. The only question is how bad they want this power.
Bob
8:12 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Odds to win?
Baker 60%
Tweitmeyer 30%
Murphy Petersen 70%
Gracias 40%
Serratorre 40%
Dalton 60%
Catalano 50%
This is assumng Laura Murphy has withdrawn form the race, she'd be the favorite if she was running.
Bob
8:41 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Gotta make some adjustments to the odds.
I just found out Murphy-Petersen is first on the ballot. that's worth 10-15% of the vote.
Carol Baker cleverly put her Irish maiden name, "Keene" on the ballot. She's in.
Catalano is last on the ballot. That's worth 5-10% of the vote.
I see Murphy-Petersen, and Keene-Baker as locks. Next is Catalano if he can raise money for mailings. A wild card here is who Rick Nogal's political network is supporting. He might be able to pull Gracias or Dalton across the line.
P.Y.T.
7:58 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Do the mailings even work anymore. I toss'em
I do think that the winners will be Dalton, Serratore, Murphy and Catalano for the race
Bob
8:16 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
I'm hoping for Gracias, Baker, Murphy-Petersen and Dalton. One note FWIW. the 230 teachers union has endorsed Serratore, Dalton, and Gracias because their interviews with them showed they'd support the unions interests when they conflict with those of the students, community, and families.
Serratore lost a lot of support at the Palos GOP meeting this week because he admitted he supported raising taxes through bond sales, even thought the distirct has annual surplusses, because the union and administration "might need the money in the future"! he also refused to speak to the issue of right sizing the bloated administration and faculty.
Gracias just spoke to the issue of addressing the growing heroine problem in our schools.
Dalton, a poltical independent who leans Democratic, didn't even bother to show up.
P.Y.T.
7:38 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013
I just asked someone and they said Dalton did not show up because she was in Europe visiting her daughter who is abroad, they think studying, maybe working, they were not sure. Please clarify that, Bob. Just did not sound like Sue to not show up to something, and you seemed more than happy to assume she "just did not bother", from the post you wrote.
Bob
10:10 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013
Gracias and Serratorre just said that she was at some meeting that was over at 7pm, and that she planned to come right after the meeting. Either they were lying (I can't understand why they would), she didn't tell them she was in Europe, or she just blew off the meeting.
There were about 50 voters there waiting to hear what she had to say, wihc is important since her Sandburg PFSA refused to support a candidate's forum. My guess is that the last scenario is the most likely.
P.Y.T.
11:20 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Confirmed, she was in Europe, so stop saying bad things. Whatever Serratore or Gracias allegedly said I don't really care. She was in Europe. Would you like to see her passport??
Bob
11:57 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
If you say she was in Europe, fine. It's no big deal. I just wonder why Serratorre lied about it? Maybe he just hasn't been in contact with her enough to know. Case closed as far as I'm concerned.
Orland Guy 2013
1:32 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Oh Bob, come on... A man like you who likes to yell at people and get his point across didn't have the guts to stand up to the printer and ask for his money back for spellling your name wrong! There is a word to describe what some would call you here but it is a family forum. However, maybe you forgot to proof your own work before sending it to print and got stuck with the signs.
Wait, or was it maybe since you know people don't like you under the correct spelling that you would trick them by spelling it wrong??? Hmmm a little name game tricks that you might have learned from Liberal Buddy Mike Hastings.
Bob
2:29 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Gee, Orland, for some reason you're really obsessed with me instead of caring about what happens to our schools and the community! I find that..disturbing.
Do you have ANYTHING useful to offer about helping voters deciding whom to support, or are you so witless and ignorant that you don't have a clue what's going on?
Tell me, oh vitriolic one, when Mike Madigan shifts the outrageous pension costs over to districts like 230, how should that be funded so that the children are impacted the least?
Do you think it's fair that we continue to have 50% more administrators than local comparisons show we need at a about a cost of $135K each? Should hard pressed taxpayers be forced to take food off of their families tables in order to keep this featherbedding going? Do you have a problem with 230 averaging 17 administrators per school (including about 5 "deans" with a bloated support staff) instead of the 11 most districts have? That's wasting about $2.5 million per year.
Are you satisfied that we have among the highest paid teachers around, but they can't seem to improve our kids ACT outcomes AT ALL? Are you OK that we pay $120K to teachers for 177 workdays supposedly to "attract the best and brighest", yet prohibit hiring the experienced "best and brightest" for anything above new graduate salaries?
What does your buddy Serratorre think about these issues?
C'mon, Orland. Why don't you show us you know something other than spelling on yard signs?LOL
Chronicles of Bob
9:56 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Yes Bob, I do. I would ask an "informed" person such as yourself, why you always insult/accuse first, then follow with a question, that you already have a predetermined answer for?
I think you just like to hear yourself talk and pretend that you are smarter than everyone next to you. Your anger to 230 and MVCC is pretty obvious. funny how you "USED" to be at each place.
Bob
11:26 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Once again, COB, you can't bring anything even remotely interesting or relevant tio the conversation. Do you "hear yourself talk" on the blogs as you infer? If so, you should really check out some help for "hearing voices" that aren't there.
That's the way "Son of Sam" got started, you know!
Here's and honest question for you...do you EVER bring any insights or information to your blogging, or do you make your life about "trolling"?
Here's a newsflash for you. I'm not running for anything. Seven people are. Go on trolling and sniping if you wish, but how about bringing something of value to your posts?
Chronicles of Bob
11:38 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
You should take your own advice there Bob. Let it go man! You are one among many... You are no different than the man next to you atthe mall. Stop judging everyone and try and ask an actual question with-out an opinion or insult first.
Bob
10:51 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
Remember, you don't HAVE to vote for four candidates for Board seats. Only vote for candidates you'd WANT elected to the Board, otherwise the "throwaway" votes you make may actually prevent your candidate from gettng elected!
Bob
11:28 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Great Kathie.why don't you get your buddy Sue to tell us why we can't improve on our pretty mediocre ACTscores. Have her tell us why dropping class sizes to 15.9 (most high schools average 21-26) didn't result in ANY improvement in academic success of our students? Since she is so "much more of a well-informed and credible candidate than you ever would/could be", why not have her give her detailed plan to improve our quality of education? Ooops, she DOESN'T HAVE ONE, DOES SHE? How about having her explain why our spending more on instruction, despite the loss of 800 students, didn't result in ANY improvement in our childrens education?
I'll concede she's a great fundraiser, which is a very dangerous mindset for a school board member.You see, when people are only pre-occupied by how to raise money without being concerned about how effectively or well the money is spent, they tend to just raise taxes and fees and NOT hold those spending the money accountable for mispending what others have sacrificed to provide.
Simple question, Kathie. When has she ever made a recommendation for spending money more effectively in the best interest of the students and community? When has she ever identified wasteful and ineffective spending in 230 that could be cut so that fees and taxes could be minimized on suffering families? When has she EVER held the administration and Board accountable for expensive failures like the S4 program?
140 parent
3:29 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013
The 2013 school board elections are approaching. I don't understand how Andrew Leoni could expect to win when his campaign signs read "Tinley Park District 140 School Board". The name of the district is Kirby School District 140 and the children and families live in Tinley Park and other towns as well. We need board members who are informed and certainly ones who know the district name.
Ted Sadowski
7:59 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013
That's pretty comical. Is he running for the park district or the school district? I don't live in 140 but I would hope a candidate would know the name of the board he's running for. Maybe he didn't read the top part of his petition?
Kathie
5:57 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Bob, what it comes down to, is you are probably not as much of a bad ass as you like to come off as... I think you genuinely have concerns. But attacking people and putting them down, when you have never taken a chance to get to know them... well, that just leads to people jumping in to defend their friends who really are good people...and lengthy blogging. (PS. You should take some time to get to know Susan, she is a genuine person. She doesn't have a PhD, but she is a smart person who will listen to her constituents and isn't afraid to ask hard questions)
P.Y.T.
11:29 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
See, Bob??? Just as I said. Stop attacking people. Kathie, you have written some very good (lengthy,lol) entries. But the last one is the best. I, too, know Susan, and feel she is without a doubt the best person for the position. NO ONE is qualified for a job, but they have qualifications that may make them suitable. Big difference. And having ideas, and acting on something are huge differences.
Susan brings intelligence, sharpness and a passion to the table. I am praying she and some of the others get in and both incumbents are knocked out. Same goes for the D135 race... knockout incumbents. Heck, same goes for fire and library, too.
I am so sick of watching my home value sink because of problems in Orland Park. We need to make people want to live here. It must turn around.
Go SUSAN!
Bob
1:09 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Fine. then have her answer my questions on her candidate page!
Thunderstorm
10:30 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Way to go Kathie!
Off the top of my Head
12:08 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Wow Kathie, you go girl! Why aren't YOU running for the school board? If you are the Kathie we all knew in the elementary district, you were terrific. Well informed, articulate and an advocate for the students, communication, transparency and quality education.
iceman63
12:30 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Bob, your comment about Sue's education is out of line. Kathie is right a little long winded- but there is a lot right in what she said. My own sister never finished college. Yet she is very smart, makes a good living working downtown for a large firm. She worked her way up the ranks; was a loyal employee and worked very hard. That doesn't make her stupid or unqualified to run for a school board, if she wanted to. On behalf of my sister and all people who are moral, hardworking and smart- but looked down upon because they do not have a pedigree or list of letters after their names- good luck to Susan Dalton- I hope she is elected- she sounds like a great candidate and she is lucky to have Kathie in her corner.
Bob
12:13 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Ummmm...iceman I didn't make ANY comment about her education! What on earth are you writing about!
Off the top of my Head
9:57 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
I read and reread the posts. I think, maaay-beee, there was a misunderstanding [which is possible because of the length of the posts] at 11:28 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013, Bob wrote "Why not have her give her detailed plan to improve our quality of education? Ooops, she DOESN'T HAVE ONE, DOES SHE?" Just thinking that reading this quickly, it was mistaken that Bob's caps lock "she doesn't have one, does she" was referring to (Susan's) education." That is the only thing I can think of...
P.Y.T.
1:12 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Sooo much to read, but iceman63, where did Bob attack Sue Dalton's education? That would really infuriate me. Lack of college education does not = stupid, I agree. I also know people with PhD's that are so stupid, I would not even let them care for my hamster while I am on vacation. I must have missed it, but also did not see where Bob attacked Sue for lack of education. sorry, iceman63
Bob
3:13 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Kathie, are you Kathie Svabek who served on the District 135 school board and also on the District 230 education committee?
If so, you had a LOT more access to information on the issues in 230 than I do, You also were on the Sandburg School Improvement committee.
Fill this blog with your intelligence!
Tell us why our kids can't perform as well as those in 204, or even Lincoln Way.
Tell us about how our quality of faculty has been assessed, and what needs to improve in our teachers' performance.
Over the years I've found that "curriculum development", where districts spend the most money, is largely a waste. A simple well used textbook and a teacher who is good at presenting it in a stimulating fashion is the key to success. As a teacher I'm sure you know this as well. Why does 230 ignore quality of instruction in its improvement plans? You're on the ed committee. This is something you should know.
Kathie, I'm a quality improvement team leader for professional services, and I know that first you have to identify obstacles to quality, discover the root cause of those obstacles, then come up with postive actions to mitigate those root causes and obstacles. What are the obstacles to quality you've found in 135 and 230, and what do you think should be done to remediate them?
Perhaps it's time to stop your sniping and add something other than your love of Sue and your vitriol for me to the conversation!
P.Y.T.
8:15 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Bob, I have kids. from 1st grade thru high school they have always performed highly. But these kids have a parent at home that took them to task. I held them accountable for everything they did, no exception. My kids are polite and kind. They are athletic, but in a balanced form, where sports comes 2nd.
People want to always blame the teacher for the failed learning. I find that insulting to the teacher and a failure on the part of the parent. Parents should be taking the responsibility of their children.
One of my kids has a friend from 1st grade that had performed equally to my child. As the years progressed this child started to drop off. Mommy went to work and she would tell me that her child can handle it on their own. I questioned her once about her lack of involvment playing a part in the child's downward spiral in academics. Her answer? No problem, by the time the student hit 4th grade the student would be back in the self-contained. She claimed to know people to get her child back into it. Guess what? Never happened. This child, who was very bright was no longer being parented, as I saw it. As the student got into HS, the child was into drinking and grades fell off more. Guess what college the child goes to... good guess... NONE. The child, who had a brilliant academic career in elementary, dropped off so bad by HS because the parents did not do their job.
So, to blame a teacher is one thing, but to not take responsibility as a parent is another
Bob
7:24 am on Monday, March 18, 2013
PYT, as a former teacher I agree that parents area perhaps the most important factor in students academic success, but I also know that a great teacher can motivate a kid form a tough background to be successful.
Many times I've seen kids with a lousy parentage get out there and be successful because of an inspirational teacher who served as a mentor.
Ever see "Stand and Deliver" about Roberto Escalante who got kids from the Barrio to be extremely successful on the calculus AP exam? Teachers like that are out there, but unfortunately there are also far too many who take the approach "I get paid whether you learn this OR NOT!"
Some kids you just can't reach, and that's a tragedy. What's perhaps a worse tragedy is union protected staff who will make their six figures per year who don't even TRY to reach them.
OK. I'll get off of my soapbox on this subject....
Bob
7:26 am on Monday, March 18, 2013
One final note on Mr Escalante. He was driven out of public education by his peers in the LA teachers union. Apparently they didn't like teachers like him "raising the bar" for what faculty could accomplish with even the most underprivileged kids.
Kathie
6:36 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Yes, Bob Shelstrom, I AM Kathie Svabek! For the record, I DO NOT DISLIKE you, as a matter of fact I find you very intriguing! And through our blog-throw down, it seems that you, (not I) have all the answers. If you reread, I shared some of my ideas on education. Though I am a little confused with your second sentence, I know about the numbers you post and yes, I have been on many committees. I think I offered a "why" in my explanation about "motivating Kids to learn." I ask questions but do it in a calm way that doesn't minimize people's importance or insult and disregard those who ARE making efforts. Professional development HAS changed and not to the fault of administration or teachers, it is the government changing things and then demanding that teachers be trained "their way." It is no longer about bettering the instruction, it is about falling in line. I would be happy to meet with you sometime and discuss some of the lengthy topics you mentioned. You might even find yourself apologizing, as I would like to apologize to you for this "back and forth" I am really not as confrontational as my blog reflects. You will find that I do know about test scores, or college applications (my third child is off to college fall 2013). You will find that I too, have identified obstacles, challenges and road blocks in our educational system.
Kathie
6:37 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
I have impacted the committees I have served on and do not need approval for the progress or the changes I have influenced. I write to our representative and governor about my views and concerns about education. Bob, we are not as different as you think~ you come off as having a chip on your shoulder for some reason. Maybe because you feel pushed aside, or do not feel validated. I think we both want things to IMPROVE in the education system. There is nothing in our lives that cannot be improved upon- especially the very competitive educational system. In reference to the education committee: I am no longer a part of it and there is a reason: the chair, Carol Baker has no interest in input or collaboration with community members who have questions or new ideas. Ironic, since education is such a collaborative process.
Bob
7:39 am on Monday, March 18, 2013
Kathie, that's pretty much the case with the chairpersons of each of the committee. Each committee deals with the issue of allowing community resprersentative challenging faculty and administration differently. Building and Finance has a "litmus test" that no one opposing tax and fee increases is selected to be on the committee.
One would think that having licensed engineers and architects on the committee would make sense to provide oversight on what is generally believed to be the worst run capital program in the region. This is the first year a licensed engineer was allowed to be a commuity representative, despite qualified people applying every year. We'll see if he actually is going to critique some of the bad ideas the administration is promoting.
John Paul
9:57 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
Kathie, Bob, so we meet again, this time on the outside looking in, it seems. I too, tried twice to get on the Finance Committee in 230. I guess 4 years on the 135 Finance Committee, 3 as Chair, 4 years on the 135 board, 2 as president, an MBA , a type 75 School Business Official Certificate, 12 years on Orland's Parking and Traffic Advisory Board, 3 years on Orland's Plan Commission and a career in financial services disqualifies someone from being on The Finance Committee. I'm not sure who I'm voting for in 230, but I can assure you it won't be for the incumbent.
P.Y.T.
8:19 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
BTW, am I missing something? Where are the bios on the others? I did not see a link above. Have the incumbents got something to hide???
Kathie
11:54 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Laura Murphy dropped out of the race, for personal reasons. Carol Baker might be too busy, to fill out a bio-which happens often when it comes to board work. She is a very busy person and her other schedules come first. How many Board members need to have meetings rescheduled, cancelled or set up with a "conferencing" option. If you can't show up, you are too busy! DO NOT VOTE FOR Baker or her Co-heart, Twietmeyer.
P.Y.T.
6:53 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
I think you are kidding about her being too busy, right? I mean, fill in the questionnaire... I would guess it is all emailed, right?
Bob
7:51 am on Monday, March 18, 2013
Some things to ponder while making choices in this election:
1) Over the four years of aboard members 230 term, they will be responsible for the expenditure of almost a HALF BILLION dollars in tax revenues. It's ESSENTIAL that any Board member has the background and knowledge to effectively provide oversight over such an immense asset. One of the reasons I asked each candidate how many committee meetings they've attended, and ideas for economizing without hurting the kids, is that a candidate should have deep knowledge of the costs and benefits in the oeprating budget, as well as where expenditure doesn't warrant funding. IMHO, a candidate needs to be more than a "nice person" who does a lot of charity work. They should have been a student of 230 operations and budgeting and meet the same quality standard as someone on the Board of Directors of a $130 million per year corporation. I can only think of two Board members who currently meet that standard.
2) Any reponsible candidate should be something of an expert as to what is accomplished academically in the district, what more successful districts are doing, and what needs to change in the district culture to improve the quality of education in the district. The future of over 8,000 students depends on the Borad getting the most ouut of staff and faculty. How can someone who's never even attended ad Ed committee meeting be seriously considered fro such a responsiblity?
Kathie
5:51 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
I have removed my comments not relevant to the D230 candidates. I am not running for the Board.
P.Y.T.
6:57 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
You should, though, Kathie. :) You were the only honest one on 135 years ago. did you get the email that came out by someone (it was anonymous) about that Moraine Valley candidate?? Wonder how long it will take him to lock up his facebook account. LOL https://www.facebook.com/john.donahue.752
Bob
7:51 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
I just got some new information this weekend. Apparently Carol Baker is on record as thinking that our administrators are "underpaid" and wants to substantially increase their compensation. It has been brought up that she is an administrator in 218, and they use 230 as one of the "benchmark" schools that are used to establish HER compensation. It appears she's also Ben Twietmeyer's "Boss". Couple that with the fact that under her leadership on the Ed committee we've made NO improvement in ACT scores and the scores in her 218 science curriculum are substandard even for a poorly performing state, and that she supports SUBSTANTIAL increases for the unions, and she needs to be off the Board. Serratorre thinks of the district like a bank, where the goal apparently is to gouge "customers" as much as possible through fees and taxes, whether needed or not, without improving service. Catalano is just too young and inexperienced to support. That leaves Gracias, Dalton and Murphy Petersen. I really wish that they had some real plans for instructional improvement and cutting waste in 230, but all are smart and have been involved in public service. I'm only going to be voting for those three this week. If you feel you NEED to vote for four, I guess Catalano is the lesser of evils. I really wish we had better candidates this time around.
Karen Walsh
7:55 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
Board votes to ask residents for support in building new junior high school.
The Board of Education agreed to allocate up to $10 million in district fund balances to help pay for the construction of a new junior high school.
The estimated cost of a new junior high school is about $39 million.
Board members voted 5-2 to ask residents to approve the issuance of $30 million in building bonds to help pay for the new school.
The bond issue will be on the ballot during the general election on April 9, 2013.
If voters approve issuing bonds, the district estimates that the increase in property taxes would be about $83 for every $100,000 a home is worth.
The district's 5-year financial forecast shows that the district could comfortably allocate up to $10 million toward the construction project and still be in good financial shape moving forward.
The district has spent some $15 million in fund balances over the last several years to pay for additions at three schools, including the $7.4 million addition recently approved for Oak Ridge.
I would love to hear more information and thoughts about this! Thanks!
Bob
9:51 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
Karen, the Board's plan is one of the worst seen in this area since the idiotic plan by Oak Lawn HS 229 to tear down a school built to accommodate aboout 4,000 students and build a brand new one at ridiculous costs.
First, I agree that based upon enrollment projections some additional space at Conrady makes sense, and the school certainly could use some "sprucing up", but the district is using a dishonest argument that knocking down a structurally and architecturally sound Jr High built in 1965, with substantial additions in 1974 and 2,000, somehow "costs less" than an addition to Conrady to meet future enrollment "needs". I was a senior project manager for Captial improvement in the largest distirct in Illinois for about 5 years, and I've asked around to see if there is any precedent for tearing down such a new school to build a new one of about the same size. Apparently NO one in Illinois has done anything this foolish in our history. It seems that if 117 voters approve this, 117 will them become the standard for idiotic and mismanaged building programs. taking the mantle away from District 230.
Bob
10:03 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
I FOIAd all the study information on this boondoggle, and here's what I found:
1) the cost for needed additions is only about $9 million, less than a third of what the Board plan would cost.
2) In order to make the tear down and build option in any way viable, the district had to include twenty years of maintenenance on the existing building compared with just the intial cost of the new school. Many of the "maintenance" issues, which the board claims totals over $21 million, were HIGHLY questionable.
3) The "economic analysis" performed by the Board shows the cost for the district building a new school wouldn't be advantageous for at least 10 years, but they were at least one serious flaw in their analysis. They didn't take into account the time value of money which means a spending a dollar today will cost more than spending that dollar five years from now. When this is taken into account, building a new school wouldn't even be comparable to the addtion for at least 15 years, and cost really can't be accurately projected out that far.
4) The construction estimates appear to have been "tricked" by the district. Neither project has gotten past conceptual design, and estimates at this stage typically have 20-25% added for "design contigency". Once complete bid drawings are prepared, the contingency drops to 5%. The districts "analysis" use only 5% contigency at this stage, but uses 10% for the addition costs. If the honest numbers were used, the new bldg loses!
Bob
10:13 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
Another way the Board corrupted the analysis was in the cost per square foot of new construction. New construction costs for the new building are only about $160 /sf (WAY too low!) yet building the same space new in the addition option was priced at over $200/sf. If these "tricked" numbers aren't used, the new building loses!
For years the district has been overtaxing the heavily burden taxpayers of Palos and Hickory Hills. This is evidenced by them building up fund surplusses of $10-$15 million while the taxpayers (over 300 homes per year) are going into foreclosure because families can't afford mortgage payments.
I think gouging struggling families this way is DESPICABLE!
I'd recommend voters REJECT this dishonest plan and do a "reset" for just giving the kids the facilities they need by the addition. I'll be happy to get together a team of architects and engineers to participate on the building committee (all design professionals were excluded from the process previously) to give the proper scrutiny and oversight the Palos 117 community deserves!
Karen Walsh
7:58 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
Sorry, The previous post refers to Conrady Jr. High in ISD 117.
Chronicles of Bob
10:22 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
Maybe it does cost less Bob? Sure am glad you asked a few people and learned about our entire illinois history as it pertains to building schools.
Why so bitter all the time? Still mad about the election?
Bob
12:53 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013
This is "bitterness", COB, it's about greedy government types cheating really put-upon folks for their own power over money and lives. there used to be a press that would be out there digging, challenging politican lies,a nd getting the truth out to the people. Those days are pretty much over. I brought this to the attention of the Patch months ago and then again in person a few weeks ago.
This is a $40 million ripoff, and the "jounalists" won't even look at hand fed info from the district to make their own minds up.
There's a concept known as "Nobles Oblige" (noble obligation) that means if you have knowledge or resources, there's an obligation to use them on behalf of those who don't. That's why I go through all this trouble even though it won't put a penny in my pocket. It's not about getting elected to a Board or office for a job I'd really rather not do.
It's not bitterness, COB, its personal obligation. When you understand and practive this, perhaps you'll understand me a bit better.
Chronicles of Bob
10:25 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
I think it was obama that said" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "
I sure am glad we have people like you Bob fighting the good fight. Now if you can just win an election.
Bob
12:44 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013
Not gonna happen, COB. Within 4 months I'll be a legal resident of another state. Maybe I'll run there. I fit in much better with their political culture.
COB, that quote is actually from Edmund Burke, an 18th century member of Parliament who was critic of much of the evil he saw emanating from King George's dysfunctional government.
Obama was never that thoughtful, although encouraging "good men to do nothing" has been the cornerstone of his agenda!LOL
Chronicles of Bob
3:05 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013
No, im pretty sure it was president obama...
Another state... ? You will be missed. So are you going to run for office there too? Hit those streets Bob. Not only are you being a service to your country, its also a fantastic cardiovascular work out.
John Paul
4:04 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013
Bob has some solid ideas and its clear that he knows what he's talking about. I'm not sure what's so bad about someone holding public officials accountable for what they do with our tax money. Bob's problem (and I know he won't be upset with me) is that he's not a good politician. You have to be a good politician to win an election. That's not a bad thing, by the way. I too am a politician which is why I did get elected.
Chronicles of Bob
4:17 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013
Dont know what you're talking about there Paul. I have no problem holding elected officials accountable.
Bob
8:12 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013
John Paul, you are absolutely right in your assessment of me. I've never really had any desire for the "clout' of being on Boards or other office. Most of the time I ran for office it was because the people wouldn't have a choice if I didn't (like for state rep and some Board races), or the field of candidates was really poor.
As you know, politics is the art of giving those with the political power in a community what they want so they'll support you, and not giving reason for ANYONE to vote against you.
Many times over the last 15 years I've been told by these power brokers that they'd get me elected in a minute if I just "played ball" and was willing to look the other way when dirty stuff, waste and patronage were going on.
If my running was about ego, I would've taken their offer, but I was going through the gauntlet to make things better for the kids and fairer to the taxpayers, and got swatted down like a fly.
Morally, I really had no choice. There are VERY few people who can get elected, then take on the powers that be for the kids and community. I think John was one of those.
I see no one here who's running to take on the forces of patronage, obsolescence and waste in the district, and that's a shame for us AND the kids. I know two at MVCC who are running, Skibinski and Fernandez, so they're the ones I'm trying to help.
Chronicles of Bob
9:59 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013
Well John Paul and yourself do go out of your way to tell us how many degrees you have and all of the wonderful things that you do for people and know. It must be that outward humility the both of you show that make you so great Bob, and Paul the exception to your own rules.
I guess 75% of all people that voted can't see your greatness and your unwillingness to play ball. and here I thought it was just your arrogance and constant insults of people and their ideas.
Karen Walsh
11:02 am on Monday, March 25, 2013
Let's not forget the Bridgeview residents that pay taxes to 117/230.
A.J
6:13 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013
All I know is we need new blood and get rid of the private club.