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Tinley Park 5 Become Symbol for Groups Across the Country

For members of anti-racist and anti-fascist organizations around the U.S., the five Indiana men arrested in May's Ashford House attack have become rallying points.

When five men, faces covered, burst in to Tinley Park's Ashford House in May and attacked a group of diners and some random patrons, the incident made national news, the kind of event that makes headlines because of its audacity but fades into the background—except at the local level—after a few days, replaced by footage of improper TSA pat-downs or Kim Kardashian updates.

READ: Ashford House 5 Lawyers Call Arrest 'Invalid'

In fact, a hearing to determine whether evidence in the case of the Tinley Park 5—the five Indiana men accused in the attack—was illegally obtained is scheduled for Thursday, Sept. 27, and it probably won't make a blip on the radars of the many news outlets outside of the area.

But among certain groups across the country, the Tinley Park 5—John Tucker, 26; Cody Sutherlin, 23; Dylan Sutherlin, 20; Alex Stuck, 22; and Jason Sutherlin, 33—aren't just the subject of links to be e-mailed to friends and co-workers. The group has become a cause célèbre for members of anti-racism and anti-fascist organizations around the United States. Activists have sponsored benefits to help fund the men's legal defense and used the 5 as a rallying cry in demonstrations.

READ: Check Out All the Stories in Patch's Coverage of the Ashford House Attack

Here's a look at some of what's being done in other parts of the country in support of the Tinley Park 5:

These efforts have not gone unnoticed by members of the Tinley Park 5. A letter written by Tucker was posted on the central website for the group. He thanked people for their support and painted a picture of himself and his fellow defendants for people "who are reading this with an open mind":

Just know, we are by no means the dark figures much as the media has made us out to be. We are sons and brothers, workers and students, salt of the earth, flesh-and-blood people like everyone else. Though not as sensational as many new programs and papers make us out to be we are just people (thankful people at that) for everything much of the populace has and continues to help us with.

It's a fascinating exercise to look at a local crime like this through outside eyes. How do they see the community through the spectrum of this attack? Does that view change your own on what happened?

At the very least, it's interesting to know that when decisions are made in this case, the headlines aren't being passed along in these circles like links to Honey Boo Boo videos.

More Stories on the Ashford House Attack:

  • 'Ashford House 5' Plead Not Guilty to 185 Charges
  • POLL: Should Lawyers Take Anti-Racists' Cases Pro Bono?
  • Private Attorneys for 'Tinley Park 5' Express Sympathy for Anti-Racist Cause
  • Off-Duty Sergeant Recalls Arresting 'Tinley Park 5' After Ashford House Attack

 

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Pro Con September 27, 2012 at 02:54 PM
Once again, great coverage of this story. Your diligence in reporting an important story that would go unnoticed by larger news outlets, AS WELL AS MANY LOCAL ""PUFF PIECE" PAPERS is greatly appreciated - as is your doing investigative work on this and not just reporting court decisions
TP5 Support September 27, 2012 at 03:04 PM
They allegedly attacked a violent and racist hate group who were there to organize for white supremacy. You should worry more about your town's reputation of supporting fascists by not defending these guys. What impact did this have on any residents of the community except to reveal that the community itself didn't do anything to stop such a gathering?
Joe Vince (Editor) September 27, 2012 at 05:45 PM
@TP5 Support: If I'm reading your comment correctly, your implication is that this attack—no matter who was responsible for it—is justified because it was aimed at breaking up a white supremacy group, and people who are against that sort of thing should support the attackers. I think It's safe to say that people can support the idea of standing up to racism and fascism without resorting to violence not brought on by self-defense. Disagreeing with the methods isn't tacit support of fascists. Now, it's an entirely different matter if you feel that the TP5 have been treated unfairly by the justice system. But it doesn't sound like you're making that claim. Also, it's a bit scary if you truly believe that any act of violence—justified or not—doesn't have an impact in the community that it occurs. Joe Vince Local Editor, Tinley Park
TP5 Support September 27, 2012 at 06:00 PM
Racism is violence so yes I believe this is justified if they even did it....and instead of the town condemning them, they could show a little more support for people who were trying to smash racism. Our justice system protects and is based on white supremacy because it's a capitalist country that exploits people of color and the working class to stay afloat....so yeah I'd say it's unfair. I don't think the impact this event had on the community outweighs the long term lack of impact that inaction does, if it has had any impact at all. Who even cares about it except the people here who want to condemn these guys for not being "clean" enough for them....as if that has any relevance.
Bob Laird September 27, 2012 at 07:43 PM
down in the hoods violence brings more violence, shootings bring more shooting. Over in the middle east a rocket brings bombings. Don't you think the cycle can be broken? That kind of mentality dates back to the stone age. there's peaceful protests all over this country, that's our right. protests elsewhere turn into the type of behavior you're condoning.
bob September 27, 2012 at 09:33 PM
TP5Supporter - You really cannot be serious if you do not see the problem here. People were having a meeting, in a public place, with innocents around them that were terrorized. In which ghetto did you learn to form your arguments? That is just a thug mentality. Nobody would have known about Tinley condoning any hate groups if these Indiana idiots didn't come to Tinley to COMMIT CRIMES.
justice September 27, 2012 at 09:50 PM
Let TP5 supporter bail them out
TP5 Support September 27, 2012 at 09:55 PM
You think yourself more civilized than I? That's hilarious. You're obviously a nazi sympathizer or likely a member of this hate group whose meeting was shut down. These guys haven't even been proven guilty by this justice system you uphold with such pride. You're just mad because this meeting was brought to a halt and exposed. Nazis should not be allowed to organize. How do you feel about police brutality in these ghettos that you seem to have so much distaste for or if you're just an idiot and not one of these sympathizers, how do you feel about the violence that white supremacists inflict on innocent people of color every day? That's not thuggery? Get a life either way.
Harry Callahan September 28, 2012 at 12:30 AM
Hey TP5 Support, People like you don't grow on trees,they swing from them.
Tinley Parker September 28, 2012 at 12:42 AM
TP5 Support, I must commend your use of grammar and sentence structure. Your inferencing skills need some work however. None of those who commented are condoning violence of any sort. Resorting to violence when one does not agree with your point of view is antiquated and uncivilized.
ryan September 28, 2012 at 01:00 AM
Tp5 support. You think its a good thing to smash up a resraurant full of elderly patrons, many I'm sure who fought facism in a REAL war, just because one table full of morons ate lunch there? Nobody there knew how or why there was an attack. Go join al quaida traitor!
TP5 Support September 28, 2012 at 01:03 AM
It's not inferred. I'm straight up saying those who don't stand in the way of fascist organizing are enabling it to happen. Violence is inflicted upon people of color every day by a system that needs to perpetuate white privilege to survive. Harry Callahan above just made a blatant, racist remark about blacks yet I'm the one being "reckoned" with on this comment thread? More enabling.
Tinley Parker September 28, 2012 at 01:40 AM
TP5, It saddens me to hear you condone violence. Those who commit violent acts against other individuals are criminals, regardless of what view they are promoting. It's against the law.
John Paul September 28, 2012 at 02:57 AM
You say that Nazis shouldn't be allowed to organize. Look, I hate nazis too, but who gets to decide who should be allowed to organize. Some folks think Democrats shouldn't be allowed; others think the same of Republicans. If I think abortion is evil, does that mean I should be able to blow up an abortion clinic? What about organizations that promote hatred of whites; should they have the right to organize. Was the assault on the Black Panthers justified?
Harry Callahan September 28, 2012 at 03:01 AM
TP5, if you don't like it here,just leave and take all your anti-american friends with you,your the one running your mouth,you know pal I left alot of my friends behind so you can run your stupid anti-american anti-White mouth,so take your butt and go bark at the moon.
TP5 Support September 28, 2012 at 03:02 AM
It saddens me to hear you condone violence. Yours is just in a different form and is worse and you are stupid.
TP5 Support September 28, 2012 at 03:12 AM
Hey Harry no ones stopping you from joining your friends. I'm sure there's a rope somewhere in your house. You're a RACIST scumbag! John Paul you don't despise racism or nazis enough if you think they should be able to organize violent actions toward non-whites. And there is no such thing as reverse racism so your attempt at trying to parallel another group organizing themselves to protect themselves against whites is ridiculous. Of course people of color need to protect themselves. They are oppressed from progressing in this system for a reason.
Mister Mister September 28, 2012 at 07:49 AM
It's 2012, what type of zombie hasn't been properly brainwashed/de-educated to hate his own race and culture? Not the type of zombie any normal brainwashed zombie would want to zombie with, that's for sure
TP Resident September 30, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Meant to state the following: FBI statistics show that a White are more than 15 times more likely to be on the receiving end of a violent crime (murder, rape) perpetrated by a Black than vice-versa. TP5 Support asks "how do you feel about the violence that white supremacists inflict on innocent people of color every day?" Are you kidding me? Most Whites are scared out of their mind to go in Black neighborhoods. If this were to happen, it would be all over the internet, and your heroes Jesse and Al would be all over the networks for the next 5 years. Your lies are so apparent and obvious, and in your case ignorance certainly isn't bliss as you are a youngster with a lot of hate.
Joe Vince (Editor) September 30, 2012 at 02:09 PM
@TP Resident: Would you post a link to that FBI statistic? According to the Department of Justice, most murders are intraracial—victim and offender are the same race—a documented trend from 1976 to 2005 (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf) that still holds (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls). Here are some of the statistics from the FBI's 2010 hate crimes report. I've highlighted the interracial stats: * Motivation for crime: 47.3 percent motivated by racial bias. Of that, 70.0 percent were motivated by anti-black bias. * Type of crime when against a person: 46.2 classified as intimidation; 34.8 percent as simple assaults; and 18.4 percent as aggravated assaults. * Race of known offenders: 58.6 percent were white; 18.4 percent were black. (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-victims) So tell me, who should be scared out of their mind, statistically speaking? This thread keeps proving how asinine it is to connect race and violence in some cause-and-effect equation. I read the extreme comments on from those on both sides, and they have more in common than they know. They're all drinking from the same well of anger and hate, but they each call it something different—something more palatable—as not to choke on it as they swig it down. See? They're not so different, after all. Sadly. Joe Vince
TP Resident September 30, 2012 at 06:39 PM
Unless you've had your hand in the sand for the last 10 years, you should know that 'hate laws' rarely apply when Whites are victims to Black criminals. You should be more concerned with reporting the TRUTH than trying to make heroes out of these criminals. To act like Blacks and Whites commit the same amount of crimes is a DANGEROUS P.C. LIE. Sorry Joe, I'm more interested in TRUTH than being PC. Hate and anger comes from those who try to lie because PC is more important than truth (reporters are afraid they'd lose their job if they spoke the TRUTH as you are both well aware) . We all know most crimes are Black on Black (but we are afraid to report this). Please, try to find any story of the last time a White man raped a Black woman (good luck with that one, it won't fit your agenda). Since you want to feign ignorance but get on your soap box instead see : http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So94zEnBaUo http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299918/censored-race-war-thomas-sowell
TP Resident September 30, 2012 at 07:40 PM
I already gave you the stats, but they weren't very P.C. so you didn't post them. I guess censoring somebody is one way to deal with people who give you 'inconvenient truths'. Again, you should be more concerned about the TRUTH, then being politically correct and supporting these guys. They are criminals, and should be referred to as such, and not 'the tinley park 5'.
Joe Vince (Editor) September 30, 2012 at 08:35 PM
@TP Resident: Comments are on moderation. You need to stop thinking people are out to "censor" you because you had to wait for your remarks to be posted. Instead, use that time to enjoy the day. It's absolutely beautiful outside. And the the five defendants are just that, defendants. They've been charged with a crime, but haven't convicted—or acquitted—of it. The courts system is funny like that. Joe Vince Local Editor, Tinley Park
Joe Vince (Editor) September 30, 2012 at 08:38 PM
@TP Resident: We'll just have to agree to disagree on this because neither of us is going to convince the other that his (or her) point of view is dangerous and morally repugnant, be it that race dictates criminal behavior or that people as a whole have the capacity to be ugly, violent creatures, regardless of their bodies' melanin content. We know where we stand, and I'm sure we have better, more productive ways to spend our time than ascribing ridiculous motivations to our passionately held positions via comment section remarks. Know this, though: You, Harry Callahan and TP5 Support have me seriously considering misanthropy as a new life philosophy. Have a good rest of the weekend, Joe Vince Local Editor, Tinley Park
Dogmom5957 October 14, 2012 at 06:16 PM
I wondered if anyone had noticed the comment post have convicted the tinley park five just from media, & police reports. Also I've noticed how the other hate groups sign out with the same anti-rasicim is codeword for anti-white. Makes you wonder just how crazy this whole world has really gotten.
Dogmom5957 October 14, 2012 at 06:24 PM
I've tried to figure out why some people post anti-white as being pro-white genicide. I find all this thinking very twisted & mean.Also if you disagree with the people who sign out with the codeword thing they call you names & are offended if you defend your oponion.Concerned in general.
Mimereader2 December 09, 2012 at 05:50 PM
The U.S. Constitution is one of the most remarkable and blessed creations in all of human history. And the rights and safeties it extends is the reason why an enormous number of people pour tears of joy as soon as they're formally sworn in as citizens. On the other hand, if we ever wish to go over to a different way of life - one which celebrates occasionally smashing in the skulls of unsuspecting non-conformists quietly eating in a resturant, ruining someone's business and cowing its struggling workers, terrorizing a wedding party with small children in attendance, humbling the police by showing how most can still get away if the mob is big enough, disguised enough, or armed enough with an imaginative array of weapons - then we'll be sure to give the folks over at "Anti-Racist Action" a call. But they may be waiting a very long time.
Dogmom5957 December 18, 2012 at 02:16 AM
Bob, you are saying you are just fine with nationalis or kkk or what ever name these groups call themselves come to your town for their planning. Just not some group coming in & ending their plans,which somehow turned out to be a brawl of somekind? Just trying to clarify.
Dogmom5957 December 18, 2012 at 02:25 AM
Harry, You throw anti-american & anti-white at a person as if you are pro-white! I'm surprised you didn't throw out the anti-rascism is codeword for anti-white. Swing from a tree & bark @ the moon. What's with all the slurrs?
Dogmom5957 December 18, 2012 at 02:29 AM
TP Resident, That's so full of holes. Dark ages!!!

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